Pre-Order Borealis Seafarer II 4000m Automatic Diver Watch

TheWraith

Master WIS
Nonsense, Pakz. Wanting this watch to be the best it can be has nothing to do with superstition whatsoever. That's a silly thing to say.

Thanks, Itsonlytime. I'm a deep dive watch aficionado, and I want this watch to be the best it can be, and I don't want superstitious nonsense to get in the way of that.
 

Pakz

Patriarch WIS
Nonsense, Pakz. Wanting this watch to be the best it can be has nothing to do with superstition whatsoever. That's a silly thing to say.

Thanks, Itsonlytime. I'm a deep dive watch aficionado, and I want this watch to be the best it can be, and I don't want superstitious nonsense to get in the way of that.
Well I do agree with you, wanting the best possible watch has nothing to do with superstition, and all to do with facts. The number written on it as water resistance, therefore is not relevant, as what we want is the best watch, not the "best number" (how can we even begin to define that, objectively?).

I think we all agree in that we want the best deep dive watch possible. And that's the technical aspects, how it's built, to what pressure it resists (on average, over a large enough sample, plus what was the worst performance obtained on that sample, and so on and so forth) and the legibility of dial (regarding the hours, we don't care much about the legibility of the name or other assorted literature when looking for a great dive watch). And maybe the good looks (not super objective, but well). And very certainly the price (and the "value" it gives)

Now, please, for the sake of all good things including superb dive watches, will we once and for all recognize that having 4000m or 4200m or 3989m or 4001m or 3999m on the dial doesn't change a thing to the actual watch? Will we admit that the want of a "larger and round number" is just as much "cultural preferences" (which I prefer to the insulting and derogatory "silly superstition") than the want of "a number not starting with 4" or a desire for a number that when read aloud sounds a bit like "luck and prosperity" or a the enjoyment of a number that has as sole divisors itself and one, or that contains parts that can be read left to right and right to left. All of that is cultural subjective preferences (well, except being prime, but the subjectivity is in liking primes) and I don't think calling "silly superstitions" the subjective cultural preferences of about 1.5 billion humans make us really great.
 

Pakz

Patriarch WIS
Sorry for the derailment of the topic.

I'm not Chinese but I have more than a few Chinese friends and seeing their culture called "silly superstition" and our culture "objective and above that" sorts of irritates me. Add to that the poor understanding of the nature of numbers that transpires in some comments and well... sorry again. I don't want to be rude or aggressive, just defend others from rude and offensive comments (albeit I'm sure that was totally involuntary).
 

Borealis Watch Admin

Administrator
Staff member
New changes (resuming back the 4000m) also bracelet confirmed with factory that can taper from 24mm to 20mm and have adjustable links.

Hands are now more like the older Seiko Prospex Marinemaster series and added a lumed chapter ring for added visibility and readability of dial.


Black C3 version

Black BGW9

Black Grey

Black Orange

Blue BGW9

Blue Orange

Grey Orange

Lume shot
 

Pakz

Patriarch WIS
Hey Maria, good work!
I really love the idea of lumed chapter ring.
Not so sure about those new hands. I feel like the hours hand becomes to thin when approaching the centre while the minutes hand might be a bit to wide (well, it doesn't bother me nearly as much as the hours hand.
The night view is about perfect, on the other hand...

Still that's giving quite an original look to the watch, a well made hybridation of a Tuna can and DSSD...
 

phlabrooy

Master WIS
I fully agree Maria, on reverting to the 4000m depth rating. Great that it would read more than the DSSD !
I have lived in South East Asia for more than 60 years, and I can safely tell you that while the number 4 might have negative connotations to some, for a depth rating on a watch, it would not be a big deal at all. Unless maybe, it read 4444m !
4000m makes a lot more sense than 3989m, or 3988m, or any such ridiculous figure, whatever mathematical explanation you give it. As already mentioned, there are a few 4000m rated dive watches out there with no issues whatsoever.
I actually didn't think there was anything wrong with the first set of hands, really.
Still looking good !

Regards,
 
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phlabrooy

Master WIS
Yes, I understand, but I have never somehow appreciated the heavy overhang at the back end of the minute hand on the Seikos.

Regards,
 

phlabrooy

Master WIS
Personally, I would really stick with the first set of hands ..... but then, that's just me.
I am sure, before long, others will chip in ......

Regards,
 

Itsonlytime

Master WIS
Glad that the 4000 number is back, the lumed chapter ring is a wonderful addition, but the new set of hands (I'am sorry), are truly ugly, with the back ends bloated, unbalanced, and just UGLY, IMHO.
Please go back to the original handset, or something of better style with more Lume area not useless backend metal. I feel so strongly about this, that if these new hands are used, I'am out on this model.
 
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Itsonlytime

Master WIS
Maria, one other thought on the bracelet width.
I agree that a 24 to 20 taper may appear more elegant, but this model is a deep tool diver with a heavier, thicker case, so as to allow for the 4000M rating. I believe that your original bracelet design taper of 24 to 22 is much better for proper support and look of this case on the wrist.
Glad to hear that that the bracelet can be sized down to below 7" wrist, thank you.
 

Borealis Watch Admin

Administrator
Staff member
We are open to suggestions on the watch hands (as dial, chapter ring, bezel look good in my opinion).

So suggestions so far:

We could use similar hands (not the dial) as proposed initially on the Scorpionfish


Modern pencil hands as in the Borealis Scorpionfish

Beuchat Ushuaia serpent minute hand style


more suggestions?
 
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