We very much prefer Miyota 9015.
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mike thornton
Master Apprentice WIS
Eta Swiss 2824-2 has a vastly longer history than the japanese-might be a little more expensive but in the long run will be worth a lot more.
Likely near impossible to source.
mike thornton
Master Apprentice WIS
Squale seems to have no problem sourcing this movement.I understand your liking 9015 better because of your prior use of it but the swiss eta movements are just as available.
Borealis, no chance? I know you're paying homage to the specific "big" triangle model but I think adding the 12 for the date version really balances the dial. I think people would be on board if you posted a render and put it to a vote, the change would make the date version that much more distinctive, from the non-date. Please consider, thanks.
I think it would be great if the date version had the 12 digit at the 12 o'clock marker
Itsonlytime
Master WIS
I agree with SDGenius, having the 12 on the "date"version definitely finishes and balances the overall dial look, if having the date window moved to the 4-5 position is not possible.
12 on the date version puts me at odds: I'd want a date complication, but don't want to lose the big triangle. I'm sure there are others who would be in the same position.
So we should end up having 2 dials and date/no date version making a total of 4 variants not considering the DLC. Be aware this will increase costs and complexity of project.
Pakz
Patriarch WIS
Yeah, the 2824-2 has a long history. But, it also has a few known weaknesses, in the keyless works for example if you chose to handwind it. It also has a history with the "date change time of death" where if you change the date during a looong period of time 20h to 3-4h you have a good chance of killing the date mechanism.
It also costs significantly more than the 9015 and is getting harder and harder to source if your not based in Switzerland. The 9015 on the other hand is more recent but Miyota has a long history of movement making, too. An history of making very robust movements. The 9015 has a proven track record of reliability and very good time-keeping (actually better than most 2824, excepted the chronometer version). And it costs quite a bit less and is more readily available.
Honestly, having tasted the two and worked a bit on the two, I'd chose the 9015 over a base or even élaboré 2824-2 every time even if the price was the same.
I was thinking 2 dials, the big triangle no-date and the 12 numeral @ 12 o'clock date. I think this is the best compromise and it would make the 2 models different enough where some buyers may purchase both.
Pakz
Patriarch WIS
Yep.
Stick to big triangle, date or no date and steel or DLC and maybe the option of mesh or nato (or better yet, either nato or nato+mesh).
Simple choice and great value product, that's the road to success !
Pakz
Patriarch WIS
humm...
There's something to your suggestion, I thing. It's a good way to satisfy at least a little every one... Those hell bent on having big triangle AND date or small triangle+12 AND no date are probably a very tiny minority.
Itsonlytime
Master WIS
Again, I agree with SDGenius, the 12 with the date window, or the large triangle with no date.
I also believe that the black DLC version may not be all that popular for this homage, and therefore may not be worth wasting $$ producing.
I also believe that the black DLC version may not be all that popular for this homage, and therefore may not be worth wasting $$ producing.
Just be prepared to pay a little extra in project as economies of scale are what makes costs go down. By having so many choices factory will slap us with increased costs as basically they will need 2 dial molds for the layered lume.
Pakz
Patriarch WIS
If that will push prices up significantly, then better stick to big triangle with or without date...
I think the additional cost will pay off when there's better chances of moving more units, I feel like if you roll out the first batch correctly/strategically, there will continue to be demand for this model in future batches. I also agree with the DLC comment posted prior that this may not be a popular enough option to justify the added cost, not sure how well the sapphire bezel insert would compliment the DLC coating.
Marc141081
WIS
Stick definetely with big triangle otherwise loosing its Charme.
jinikari01
Perfect Apprentice WIS
a lot of good and valid points are being shared on this new and highly anticipated project.
i too like the idea of 1. no date smaller triangle w/ 12 marking and 2. w/ date and big triangle marking.
its a hard decision just to pick one watch for purchase imo...
i wouldn't mind paying a little more if having two different dial template is cost more on borealis production lines.
lastly, i also agree on throwing out the black coating watch out the window. i really can't say there is much demand or seem much demand on black coated watches.
what would i do if i get that watch all scratched up? lol
i too like the idea of 1. no date smaller triangle w/ 12 marking and 2. w/ date and big triangle marking.
its a hard decision just to pick one watch for purchase imo...
i wouldn't mind paying a little more if having two different dial template is cost more on borealis production lines.
lastly, i also agree on throwing out the black coating watch out the window. i really can't say there is much demand or seem much demand on black coated watches.
what would i do if i get that watch all scratched up? lol
Agree with Pakz. IMO and brief experience with Borealis, Borealis has always stood for quality at incredible value. If the dial/lume molds really does significantly increase final cost, then stay with the big triangle regardless of date complication present or not.