So now we are about to wait until june/july? The proto is magnificent!
Pre-Order Borealis Estoril 300m Automatic
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You are right but haven't had much available time for this during the last days. However photos are now available at pre-order page.
until watches are in stock or sold out whichever comes first.
I have ordered a no-date version of the Estoril and have a (stupid) question regarding the time setting.
I know that when a watch has a date you should avoid adjusting the time a couple of hours either side of midnight as this is the period when the date changing mechanism is engaged and adjusting the time in this period can possibly damage the mechanism.
If I have the no-date Estoril, can I ignore the above statement and adjust the time at any stage around midnight as there's no mechanism to damage?
OR
Does the no-date watch contain the date changing mechanism, it's just that you cannot see it as it's hidden behind the dial. In which case you can't tell whether it is midday or midnight and so should avoid changing the time around midday and midnight?
I know this may seem silly but could someone please clarify? Many thanks.
I know that when a watch has a date you should avoid adjusting the time a couple of hours either side of midnight as this is the period when the date changing mechanism is engaged and adjusting the time in this period can possibly damage the mechanism.
If I have the no-date Estoril, can I ignore the above statement and adjust the time at any stage around midnight as there's no mechanism to damage?
OR
Does the no-date watch contain the date changing mechanism, it's just that you cannot see it as it's hidden behind the dial. In which case you can't tell whether it is midday or midnight and so should avoid changing the time around midday and midnight?
I know this may seem silly but could someone please clarify? Many thanks.
It is not the time you shouldn't adjust but the date. If you set watch to position 2 where it hacks there is no problem whatsoever.
Ah, Ok - I got it the wrong way around. Thanks for clearing that up Maria.
Pakz
Patriarch WIS
Yes.
And to add to Maria's answer, it's not even the time that poses problem with watches having a date, it's only the position of the crank wheels. So basically for changing date, put the hands to 6h30 and adjust the date, then set the time and you'll never have a problem.
Sergey
Master Apprentice WIS
Based on this, I do not fully understand:
when the clock without a date, I thought the date wheel is removed.
I ordered a version without the date, not only because I think it is beautiful but also in order to avoid potential problems in service
I do not correctly understand the principle of hours without a date?
Pakz
Patriarch WIS
As I understand it:
- Sometimes you truly get a movement without date wheel. Then, no problem with date change (and you only have two positions for the crown: winding and time setting).
- Most times however, the models come with one regardless on whether you have a date window or not (and you have a second position, inactive, between the two already mentioned. Sometimes not easy to catch, but there). Since you don't change the date and particularly don't change the date between 21h30 and 2h30, you'll never have a problem EVEN IF you have a date wheel on the movement.
So indeed, getting a "no date" model limits greatly the chances of having a date wheel lock problem (which is endemic to the 2824-2 and other ETA, but less present on Miyota and Seiko movement, and totally absent in other brands).
Now in terms of service, when the movement gets an overhaul, the fact that it has a date wheel or not will most likely play a far smaller role in the price than who does it.
Sergey
Master Apprentice WIS
It is not in the price of services
I once broke a tooth on the wheel dates
because I made a mistake with the position of the Crown, when was putting the time and did not want to think more about it
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On a dial without a date window, there's no guarantee that the hands are properly aligned with respect to the date mechanism, so the date might not change at midnight, and as such the danger zone for using the quickset date mechanism might not be centered around midnight.
Currently he has been wearing more the Seafarer II but will see if I can convince him this days.
It was mentioned before. It is the prototype nato for the black option and a new dark blue/gray for the blue version.
Pakz
Patriarch WIS
I might be totally un-representative, but indeed, as they are a bit cliché, I don't have many (actually, I think I have none of these "pre-DVD" grey/black... post DVD, people realised they actually had red thin stripes between the other colours) "Bond" natos. On the other hand I have more than a few in other colours, including black, and the historically accurate "admiralty grey" (which the Commodore Bond would have really worn should he have really existed
).So I'm rather happy with that one being a tad different.... knowing that most times I'll wear my Estoril on something else, possibly black, grey, or plain silly bright multi-coloured natos!
Still, I'm with you on "more choice is better"... but that might end up being a logistic nightmare for Maria.