Pre-Order Borealis Seafarer II 4000m Automatic Diver Watch
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bill anagnos
WIS
Will the watch has a soft Iron (FE) core, around the movement like most higher end divers watches due to help it be anti-magnetic?
Thanks you, still deciding on what color to get ?
bill anagnos
WIS
I just bought my strap,hmm now what color to get, its btwn either all black or blue with the blue & orange bezel.
Pakz
Patriarch WIS
Can't really help you, not being in your head, but...
I went with the blue and orange bezel one.
bill anagnos
WIS
Hi Maria, I place my order for the C3 version, I was wondering:So, we have now seen the rough proto cases for the Batial and Estoril, anxiously waiting to see the case for the Seafarer II, especially that turbine bezel, and chamferred bits ...... !!!
Regards,
1) Will the watch has a soft Iron (FE) core, around the movement like most higher end divers watches due to help it be anti-magnetic?
2) Does the 15% off apply to the 2nd payment as well ?
Best regards, thank you for all your hard work, we look forward to the new SFII
The case construction does not require a soft iron core.
That is more a gimmick than something else as for it to work you would need to have also a soft iron protection surrounding dial, otherwise magnetism can also affect movement through dial opening ...
High brands try to find ways to charge extra.
The 15% discount is valid on both initial deposit and final payment. This has been discussed more than once here in forum.
That is more a gimmick than something else as for it to work you would need to have also a soft iron protection surrounding dial, otherwise magnetism can also affect movement through dial opening ...
High brands try to find ways to charge extra.
The 15% discount is valid on both initial deposit and final payment. This has been discussed more than once here in forum.
bill anagnos
WIS
I appreciate the reply, as far as the discount question I had, the reason I asked is that I did not know the answer to this and had not seen the reply before, I was not attempting to waste time, or to frustrate one, I asked caused I did not know, my question was a genuine one.
I have pre-ordered the SeaFarer11, but alas I do not benefit from the discount, as I have currently no need of a rubber strap or a SeaHawk bezel. Though I did buy a Borealis S/Steel bracelet ($100 approx.) earlier in the year, but that does not qualify either. Yet I was and still happy that I did, so have no problems regarding the watch. Though I do question the conditional 15% discount.
Therefore I would be interested to hear if previous pre-order discounts on earlier Borealis models had similar restrictions. Or was a discount available to all buyers.
Considerations on pre-ordering any make of watch requires a certain degree of trust and risk given by the buyer. Some readers maybe aware of the Hexa F74 dial problem after pre-ordering.
It would then seem reasonable that the seller rewards that trust, and makes the discount available to all. And given that current pre-orders are based on renders and to date no prototypes, plus a 50% non refundable deposit, it is indeed a greater leap of faith by the buyer.
Buyers who do not qualify or require no further products have in effect invested Borealis with a 6 month interest free loan of $267, and a great deal of trust to partially fund the project. Yet in return some buyers are offered a restricted discount on the sole condition they buy from a limited range of Borealis accessories or another Borealis watch, others do not get anything yet provide equal amounts of trust, deposit, and support.
I suspect many current and future pre-order buyers will also feel the 15% discount is in fact more of a loyalty bonus or a limited offer, and not a true 15% discount. We only have to read earlier posts to see the confusion on how to benefit from this discount. If it was a simple and unequivocal discount there would be no confusion and new posters would not have to read thru' 18 pages of posts to get clarity.
Perhaps you could consider a reduced discount of 10% for those buyers outside your currently limited catchment of eligible buyers.
Finally I look forward to getting my SeaFarer11 I am certain it will be excellent, it is good value for money, my only beef is with the criteria surrounding the discount.
Therefore I would be interested to hear if previous pre-order discounts on earlier Borealis models had similar restrictions. Or was a discount available to all buyers.
Considerations on pre-ordering any make of watch requires a certain degree of trust and risk given by the buyer. Some readers maybe aware of the Hexa F74 dial problem after pre-ordering.
It would then seem reasonable that the seller rewards that trust, and makes the discount available to all. And given that current pre-orders are based on renders and to date no prototypes, plus a 50% non refundable deposit, it is indeed a greater leap of faith by the buyer.
Buyers who do not qualify or require no further products have in effect invested Borealis with a 6 month interest free loan of $267, and a great deal of trust to partially fund the project. Yet in return some buyers are offered a restricted discount on the sole condition they buy from a limited range of Borealis accessories or another Borealis watch, others do not get anything yet provide equal amounts of trust, deposit, and support.
I suspect many current and future pre-order buyers will also feel the 15% discount is in fact more of a loyalty bonus or a limited offer, and not a true 15% discount. We only have to read earlier posts to see the confusion on how to benefit from this discount. If it was a simple and unequivocal discount there would be no confusion and new posters would not have to read thru' 18 pages of posts to get clarity.
Perhaps you could consider a reduced discount of 10% for those buyers outside your currently limited catchment of eligible buyers.
Finally I look forward to getting my SeaFarer11 I am certain it will be excellent, it is good value for money, my only beef is with the criteria surrounding the discount.
In case you are not aware price of the Seafarer II compared to competition is already VERY affordable. You can not find a watch at this specs anywhere else for less than $600.00-$700 USD.
In terms of quality we deliver our watches speak for themselves. We only work with top factories.
It is up to each collector to see if it is worth participating in pre-order(s) or not.
GOPENNSTATE!
WIS
Anjuna - this is similar to what Borealis offered in the past - offering an additional discount on the pre-order price as a reward for a recent prior purchase. The pre-order price is also at a discount - price is bound to go up once the pre-order period is over.
As Maria noted - the watch is a fantastic buy for the specs - so are the other Borealis pre-order offerings (with your purchase of the Seafarer II, you can now use that order number to get a discount on one of the other pre-order offerings or on a second Seafarer II).
For me - their rubber strap was a "no brainer" purchase. Their new formula is awesome - it is an excellent strap for the price. Even if you do not need a strap, the $15+$10 shipping means you are spending $25 to get a 15% discount ($65.25 on the Seafarer II). I'd spend $25 to save $65 any day and would simply gift the strap or list it for sale at a discount on one of the watch forums if I had no need for it.
Congrats on your purchase of the Seafarer II! I have 2 on order, and will be using that order number to get a discount on the Estoril 300. Borealis sure is upping their game with these 3 awesome pre-orders!
bill anagnos
WIS
I do not see a problem with the discount, it is a common practice in many companies, rewards for loyalty. So I think:
1) Helps with inventory turns, move products during the year end.
2) Gets said inventory into the hands of people who can spread the word on the great value the product is, and potentially generate more interest and more potential sales.
3) Helps encourage people to pay for pre-order, since they get a discount. This allows the project to move along at a greater pace, in the end this is good for us all.
In the end good strategy I think,
The previous preorder discount for the Seadragon and Scorpionfish were offered to all who signed up to this forum, no purchased required. There is no loyalty bonus like what is offered by a number of other micro's. Now you must purchase a strap to get the discount even if you have recently purchased other Borealis watches in the past. The cutoff date for purchases was set to Sept 1 to precluded watches that were purchased and delivered in August.
The rules are public and clear.
I suppose if prices were above $500.00 USD less would complain and would find quality much better as price they paid was higher (though materials, quality is the same).
We launched a new rubber strap that is very much improved compared to the previous version and with higher production costs and still we kept price in $15.00 USD so that we wouldn't be accused of taking advantage and increase prices due to the pre-order.
No matter what we do we will be criticised and wrongly interpreted.
What I do not accept is the logic that we set September 1st in order not to take into account orders from August.
If cutoff date was August many would say why not July and if it if was July we would be questioned why not June ...
If we could sell at lesser prices we would but we would either be affecting quality or smashing our already meagre margins compromising company's health.
We deliver and always will the best quality/price ratio in market.
I suppose if prices were above $500.00 USD less would complain and would find quality much better as price they paid was higher (though materials, quality is the same).
We launched a new rubber strap that is very much improved compared to the previous version and with higher production costs and still we kept price in $15.00 USD so that we wouldn't be accused of taking advantage and increase prices due to the pre-order.
No matter what we do we will be criticised and wrongly interpreted.
What I do not accept is the logic that we set September 1st in order not to take into account orders from August.
If cutoff date was August many would say why not July and if it if was July we would be questioned why not June ...
If we could sell at lesser prices we would but we would either be affecting quality or smashing our already meagre margins compromising company's health.
We deliver and always will the best quality/price ratio in market.
Itsonlytime
Master WIS
First I must say that I think Maria and team are offering an outstanding boutique brand, which I am very proud to wear.
But I also agree, and understand the thoughts of the previous 5 posts.
I pre-ordered 2 Sea Dragons, and 1 SFish, took the risk, and was rewarded with 2 outstanding dragons and an OK SFish (IMHO).
The 10% discounts that were offered to all with a forum code, and a stated time limit, where fair in every way, and greatly appreciated. As I do appreciate the 15% off opportunity by a purchase since Sept. 1, I do not feel it leaves the best impression with earlier Borealis supporters.
This being said, I plan to pre-order a SeafarerII, Estoril, and possibly a Batial, thanks to the "buy a not needed or wanted rubber strap", and receive a generous 15% discount. I guess I can use the strap on the Batial, as the included leather strap looks pretty ordinary, and not a distressed or canvas style, which would be much more exciting for this model.
Maria, thank you for the discount, it is greatly appreciated.
Pakz
Patriarch WIS
To me the X% discount you get is a BONUS.
That means a thing in addition. A plus. An icing on the cake.
Instead of criticizing the fact that we're given something more (under certain conditions), we should, I think, thank Maria for that added value she offers with the discount.
AND keep in mind that even without that discount, the value is already great.
So anyone who wants the discount can have it (it's not like the rules were secret, hidden or something) but it sure isn't taking anything away from the others. It's not a "normal thing" that we are entitled to. Might be a good or bad commercial policy, but what would show it to be bad is your lack of business, not whimpering. And what shows it to be good is your business.
I mean, we are, generally speaking, entitled to nothing. We cannot decide for others what they should be giving us, else that wouldn't be "giving us" but us "taking away from them". We tend to do that more and more often in our rich countries, hence a culture of "entitlement" but really, in private affairs we should keep in mind that there's never been any coercion on us, and that we get what others DECIDE to give us, under THEIR terms, not ours.
That means a thing in addition. A plus. An icing on the cake.
Instead of criticizing the fact that we're given something more (under certain conditions), we should, I think, thank Maria for that added value she offers with the discount.
AND keep in mind that even without that discount, the value is already great.
So anyone who wants the discount can have it (it's not like the rules were secret, hidden or something) but it sure isn't taking anything away from the others. It's not a "normal thing" that we are entitled to. Might be a good or bad commercial policy, but what would show it to be bad is your lack of business, not whimpering. And what shows it to be good is your business.
I mean, we are, generally speaking, entitled to nothing. We cannot decide for others what they should be giving us, else that wouldn't be "giving us" but us "taking away from them". We tend to do that more and more often in our rich countries, hence a culture of "entitlement" but really, in private affairs we should keep in mind that there's never been any coercion on us, and that we get what others DECIDE to give us, under THEIR terms, not ours.
Daniel Smith
WIS
It seems to me that recently, many forum posts can be categorised into 1 of 3 types :
1) People complaining about the structure and eligibility of a bonus discount that is offered on top of an already very competitively priced pre order.
2) People asking questions that have been answered, often numerous times, in the preceding thread pages.
3) People trying to change some aspect of the design, despite multiple advisement's that the design is finalised.
Honestly, I don't know how Maria always responds in such a level manner. I'd have blown my stack by now if it was me.
As a side consideration - the sad irony is that if Maria had never offered the 15% discount, she'd probably have made almost as many sales with none of the grief. Also I reckon the new rubber straps should be $25-$30 - $15 is too cheap and implies that it is not as good as it actually is. Although I do agree with one of the earlier comments that any future ones should possibly not have Borealis engraved on the buckle (or at least be on the underseide) - limits its usage somewhat on other watches.
1) People complaining about the structure and eligibility of a bonus discount that is offered on top of an already very competitively priced pre order.
2) People asking questions that have been answered, often numerous times, in the preceding thread pages.
3) People trying to change some aspect of the design, despite multiple advisement's that the design is finalised.
Honestly, I don't know how Maria always responds in such a level manner. I'd have blown my stack by now if it was me.
As a side consideration - the sad irony is that if Maria had never offered the 15% discount, she'd probably have made almost as many sales with none of the grief. Also I reckon the new rubber straps should be $25-$30 - $15 is too cheap and implies that it is not as good as it actually is. Although I do agree with one of the earlier comments that any future ones should possibly not have Borealis engraved on the buckle (or at least be on the underseide) - limits its usage somewhat on other watches.